JT

PS: I don’t have “a horse in the race”. I am a buyer, but I won’t spend my money on something about which all of the details are not made abundantly clear well in advance of my purchase. I think I speak for most people here when I say that.

JT

If you don’t want to sign the NDA – no worries – we’ll demo the GSE driven by a high powered steam pressure device fired by natural gas or bottled gas.

The NDA is only required to see our micro-chp system in development.
As long as you don’t want to see these technologies – no problem.

Anyone is welcome anytime:

AEW
Elkhart Indiana

Call anytime to make an appointment 574-295-1083
or email steamenginepower[AT]gmail.com

Sincerely,

David Ramos
SEP/AEW

We’re setting up Distributors and working with International Projects now.

However – you can visit our location in Elkhart Indiana – just make an
appointment.

We do require an NDA – as there are technologies that are pending release.

Feel free to call and setup a time to visit at: 574-295-1083.
or email me at steamenginepower[AT]gmail.com

Sincerely,

David Ramos
SEP/AEW

The GSE that Steve Polk used on his Solar Tests – works great also.
Has anyone even talked to Steve?

I’ve learned that often the biggest reason that people “bash” – is because “they have a dog in the hunt”.

Why do you keep referring to a 7 year old 2 cylinder “kit”?

The 6 Cylinder is a “marvel”. You can generate power with 3 cylinders, while you’re compressing air with 2 cylinders and pumping water with 2 cylinders. Try doing that with the old iron-sides!

Any serious projects out there? Step up and buy one! You’ll be happy!

I am currently developing prototype of 2 cylinders green steam engine which claims to give 10 shaft HP. Actually I am facing a mechanical problem which is as to when I pass steam in cylinders, the flywheel at rear fails to perform rotatory motion and does only oscillatory motion. Please advice me what could be the probable problem and what changes must be done to make it rotate.
Please Advice.
Thanks

So, you have one running. Fantastic. Now comes the hard part: numbers and data.

1) How many pounds of steam per hour does the engine consume?

2) You have a 25 HP engine connected to a 4.5KW generator. That seems to be a bit of a mismatch. Have you run anything larger? Is your steam generator able to keep up with that kind of load?

3) Can you show a chart that graphs from sensors over time:
– pounds of steam per hour
– PSI of steam
– KW output at engine shaft
– RPM of shaft

I’d want this data for at least 6 hours.

4) Can you show, with first-hand experimental data to back it up, how this engine is more efficient than a slide-type reciprocating engine at the same input rates?

5) What are the advantages to the engine that you are selling over other designs? Your website is pretty much devoid of this information.

6) Have you run this engine for 24 hours straight? 48? A week? A month?

7) What are the wear components in this engine? What are the consumables? Specifically, list them and their part numbers and their frequency of replacement.

This may sound very demanding, but it’s the typical kind of data that any prime mover manufacturer must provide. If it’s not provided, then I’d not really consider the engine as an option. Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence.

I won’t sign an NDA or an NCA or whatever else, I’m afraid. If I’m going to buy one of these, I would expect to see this data up front so an NDA would only make me suspicious that you’re trying to keep me silent on things that don’t work. The good news is that I don’t see you (Steamenginepower.com) making crazy claims. The bad news is that you don’t make any claims at all, so I’m not sure why I should consider a Green-style engine that you make as an alternative to any other type of steam engine that is a much more proven design.

PS: I really don’t care how the steam is produced. Saying it’s biomass, or carbon-neutral, or whatever – that’s really completely meaningless, and immediately makes me very leery of whoever is making the claims when they reference their engine design. Steam production is my problem, and how I generate the heat is orthogonal to the method and efficiency of the engine which consumes it. Unless you’re producing and selling application-specific boilers, don’t talk about biomass, or saving the environment, or whatever.

PPS: I am spending so much time writing these replies because I have money for purchase of a good steam engine. Thus far, I have not seen evidence of one so I continue to ask questions until someone can satisfy me that my money will not be wasted purchasing their product.

JT

We saw “potential” – despite initial concerns, reservations, videos, etc.

Our engineers saw “great” potential. As a result – we have made significant improvements.

Take a look at “todays” version (6 cylinder photos and videos) at
both the inventors website: http://www.greensteamengine.com
and our website – the manufacturer at: http://www.steamenginepower.com

ScaryDave is showing an early kit or prototype that is at least 3 years ago – when there were “no” production versions – just kits.

The production version has only been on the market for 2-3 weeks.

I think you’ll be impressed!

David

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCKdWGwQM8

As a former special effects guy, my experience is, if it works, people use it. If you can’t find anyone bragging about how well it works, it’s because it doesn’t.

I would love for this to be real but it seems like nothing more than a toy thus far.

In this video of the same POS machine failing to perform well, is another machine made of a hydraulic ram and valve which seems far more interesting. http://vimeo.com/6670938

Sorry to sound pessimistic but after all these years, if this worked, it would be a no brainer for sale in the back of popular mechanics and a hundred other places.

DAve

We are a startup – that is true. Risk-Reward!

No steam engine to date as been made of these materials.

Watch the videos – We’ve been working on this for many years.

Come visit – sign an NDA/NCA – you won’t sleep for days!

They have assumed the full pressure of the boiler is for the full stroke of the piston. That is rubbish as the steam is not being expanded therefore it is horrendously inefficient. If they cut the steam off for part of the stroke the efficiency dramatically improves but the power drops.

The engine will have just as much friction and wear just as fast as a conventional steam engine made of the same materials.

“it would be the end of fossil fuel dependence!”

If the boiler is fired by diesel, coal etc etc. Nope.

There are steam engine and boiler builders who do have a track record and stand behind their products. Strath steam in Australia. Reliable Steam. etc etc. A short google search will pull them up

they claim 15hp – 20hp and up to 10kwh !
No friction, little to no maintenance …

it would be the end of fossil fuel dependence!
Please tell me your opinion about it and if you think that it really works like described.

Anyone have a 125 psi flash boiler design and closed loop system we can adapt for international orders?

http://www.abma.com/BOILER_HP_HISTORY.pdf

JT

There apparently is a licensee of the Green Steam engine. Out of intellectual curiosity (and the “hope springs eternal” mindset) I contacted them in July to ask about testing on the engine. They said they were about to do testing, and I should call back in a few weeks. Well, I called back today. Frankly, I had forgotten entirely about it since it’s in the “probably not true” category of my brain, which doesn’t get dusted often. I spoke with someone there and asked about progress. They said that the tests they did with a solar boiler owned by University of Nevada Las Vegas (videos on the Green Steam power website at the moment) were inconclusive since the boiler burned a hole in itself. So they’re about to do more testing with a “real” boiler company, and I should call back in two or three weeks.

The claim is: 33 shaft horsepower at 150 PSI at 600 RPM, and a steam use of 183 pounds of steam per hour. (If you don’t know what “pounds per hour” is, I’d suggest reading up a bit on steam boiler stuff – it’s useful to understand.)

I await (not entirely anxiously, but interested) the results of their testing, and actual solid evidence of output. Ten hours of steady running with a significant load (not freewheeling!) of a compressor, or alternator, with measured output results over a variety of input pressures and loads would be what convinces me that this is worth anything at all. Then, just as importantly, running an engine for fifteen or twenty days with a constant production-level load and seeing what faults arise and how often – that’s just as important. I’ll call back in a while and try to remember to post my results here.

HIL GreenPower, Inc.
13844 Alton Parkway
Irvine, CA 92618 USA
949-297-4861
Fax 949-297-4897
http://www.hilgreenpower.com/
(“Website isn’t up yet.” Hmm… you couldn’t hope for a more un-believable set of circumstances.)

JT